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Introduction
I once again reaffirm that the
following text is the absolute truth and is not fiction. It was composed from
three original tape recordings which were made on April 24, 2000 with a tape
recorder during my second interview with the reptilian creature known as
"Lacerta." At Lacerta's request, the original text of 31 pages was revised and
shortened up to deal with some questions and answers. Some existing questions
were partially shortened or amended. It was even undertaken to extract message
and significance from it. This part of the interview, either not mentioned or
not mentioned completely in the transcript, deals primarily with personal
issues, paranormal demonstrations, the social system of the reptilian species
and alien technology and physics.
The reason for the shifting of the date
and time of the second meeting was a possible observation and surveillance of my
own person after the publication of the first transcript. Although everything
was attempted on the advice of Lacerta to keep my identity a secret, just two
days after the dissemination of the document abroad, various unusual events took
place. Please don't think that I am paranoid; however, I believe that the
publication of the interview has drawn either official attention or the
attention of some organization to me. Up until this time, I usually regarded
people who believed that they were being followed by the state to be nothing
more than jokers. But now I have begun to revise my ideas on that since events
in January. It began with a failure of my telephone for several hours. When the
phone became operational once again, there were quiet echoes and strange
clicking and whirring sounds when I made calls. A defect could (ostensibly) not
be found anywhere. Overnight, important data disappeared from the hard drive in
my computer. The testing program reported "defective sectors" where strangely
enough there were only data which dealt with illustrations and completed textual
material from the interview. These "defective sectors" also contained material
of a paranormal nature in the field of my research. (Fortunately, the material
was also stored on floppies.) In addition I discovered by pure chance some
hidden data in a likewise hidden directory index. The name which appeared on the
data and the directory index was "E72UJ." A friend, who is a computer expert,
could not make anything of this designation, and when I was about to show it to
him, the directory index had disappeared. One evening, my apartment door was
standing wide open, my TV set was running--and I am absolutely confident that I
had turned the TV set off.
A minivan with British markings and the
imprint of a Europe-wide supermarket chain parked in front of my house. I
noticed the same minivan again on several occasions traveling at a distance
behind my car, even when I visited the town of XXXXXXXXXXX 65 kilometers away.
When I returned, the car was on the other side of the street once again. I never
saw anyone get into or out of the car. A knock on the door of the vehicle and on
the tinted windows caused no reaction of any kind. After about two weeks, the
minivan disappeared again. When I informed E.F. personally about these events,
he suggested that I change the place and date of the meeting in order to assure
our own and Lacerta's safety. The meeting took place on April 27, 2000 in
another isolated location. It was unobserved as far as I can
determine.
Once again, all of this may sound strange and paranoid, like a
fantasy from a cheap science fiction film; however, I can only repeat to and
assure the reader once again: all of this is the unadulterated truth. Believe my
words or don't believe them. These things have happened and they will continue
to happen, whether you believe it or not. Until it is too late. Our civilization
is in danger.
Ole. K. May 3, 2000
[Comment by Ole. K.: The meeting began with
an appraisal of diverse questions and opinions which I had gotten from readers
of the first transcript in anonymous fashion through distribution from my
trustworthy friends. Some of these opinions--all together there were over 14
pages of paper--contained comments shaped by everything from a radically
religious to a fanatical tendency to welcome contact with a reptilian species.
Some of these comments contained stereotypical phrases like "Servants of Hell"
or "Species of the Evil One." I don't want to go into any kind of detailed
description here since I don't want pass on further any false and radical realm
of thought.]
QUESTION:When you read these religious and
animosity-ridden comments here, what do you think and feel then? Is the
relationship between your species and ours really shaped from that kind of total
negation?
ANSWER:: Does it amaze you that I am not completely
angered by that? I had fully expected those kinds of extreme reactions. The
programming for the utter negation of another species (especially the reptilian
species) as in your own case is deeply embedded in each of your own individual
consciousnesses. This ancient conditioning stems from the days of your third
artificial creation and, biologically speaking, is passed down as an information
genome from generation to generation. The identification of my species with the
powers of darkness was a primary intention of the Illojiim, who liked seeing
themselves in the role of the powers of light--something which in and of itself
represents a paradox, since that humanoid species was extremely sensitive to
your sunlight. In case you were expecting me to act offended, I guess I'll have
to partially disappoint you. These obscure intentions are not really your fault;
you are simply following for the most part what you have inherited from your
ancestors. It is indeed actually somewhat disappointing that many of you develop
no especially strong individual self-conscience, for this would help you to
overcome the conditioning. As I already said, we were in direct contact in the
last several centuries with some of your more primitive human tribes; these
tribes had themselves succeeded in breaking through the old "creation
programming;" they were able to meet us without tension, hate and total
rejection. Apparently many of your modern civilized individuals are not in a
position to think on their own, but rather let themselves be guided by
programming and religion (which is also a manifestation of that ancient
programming and part and parcel of the plan of the Illojiim). Therefore,
comments of that kind I'd sooner regard as amusing than irritating; they simply
confirm in large measure for me my suppositions about your defined mode of
thinking.
QUESTION:Therefore, you are not the "Species of the Evil
One" as was remarked earlier?
ANSWER:: How am I supposed to answer
that? Your people still think according to a simple and completely inappropriate
scheme of generalizations. Simply put, there are absolutely NO purely evil
species. There exist in every terrestrial and extraterrestrial species alike
both good and evil individuals; it's even true of your own people; but there is
NO such thing as an absolutely evil species. This conception is really very
primitive. You people have believed from time immemorial what you are supposed
to believe--what was foreseen for you to believe by your creators. Every
well-known species, even the more highly developed ones, consists of a great
number of individual consciousnesses (at least a portion of the consciousness is
individual, even though there are connecting fields of consciousness); these
self-sufficient spirits are able to decide freely for themselves a lifestyle
which is either good or evil, according to your own human standards. It depends
again on the respective point of view; your people are not necessarily in a
position to judge whether the deeds of a much more highly developed species are
good or evil, because you stand at a lower observation point, from which an
assessment is not possible. Your simple words "good" and "evil" are in any case
examples of a tendency towards generalization; in my language there are many
concepts for the various shades of meaning of individual behaviors in comparison
to the norms of a society.
Even those extraterrestrial species which are
inclined to act with antagonism towards you are not "Species of the Evil One,"
even though they operate negatively with respect to your own race. They do this
for their own reasons and do not regard themselves as evil; were your structured
way of thinking more linear and more focused as theirs is, then you would also
behave in such a fashion. The attitude of a species towards other kinds of
existence naturally depends very heavily on its respective structured way of
thinking; each species sets its own priorities. To classify that as "good" or
"evil" is really quite primitive, for the survival of any species argues for
many varieties, among them your own, as well as for even the most varied of the
worst or negatively-directed deeds. I won't even exclude my own kind in this
regard, for there have been certain occurrences in the past which I don't
personally welcome, but about which I would also not like to go into detail.
None of these occurrences have happened in the last 200 years of your time
scale. But please note the following: there are NO absolutely good and there are
NO absolutely bad species, because each and every species always consists of
individuals.
QUESTION:In the letters that I got, there was often
the question, whether you could go into any greater detail regarding the
advanced physics that you commented on last time. Many people said, your words
made no sense. For example, how do UFOs function, how do they fly, how do they
perform the maneuvers that they do?
ANSWER:: I ought to explain
that to people? That's not all that simple. Let me think about it for a minute.
I always have to use very simple words in order to make clear to you the basic
principles of a higher kind of science. Let's try this: You have to be clear
about some fundamental facts. The very first thing is that you must divide up
the conception of the physical world because each existence consists of
different layers; let's say for simplicity's sake that it consists of a material
illusion and a sphere of influence. {TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: No legitimate
translation exists for this word 'Feldraum;' "Feld" means "field," "Raum" means
"space, room, expanse." Therefore, I'm translating it as "sphere of influence."}
Certain physical conditions are associated only with the realm of the material
{as in 'concrete'}, while other and more complicated conditions are associated
only with the sphere of influence of the material world. Your conception of the
physical world is based upon a simple material illusion. That illusion is
further subdivided into three elementary or basic conditions of matter. A fourth
and very important condition also exists, which you simply pay attention to more
or less as you choose; it is the one bordering on the sphere of influence or
plasma realm. For you, the theory for a controlled transformation or an
elevation of the frequency of matter and the stable existence of this fourth
aggregate condition of matter is not very common, or it exists at a very
primitive level. (As an aside, there are simply five states of matter, but the
post-plasma state would really be going too far and it would only serve to
confuse you. Besides, it is not necessary for an understanding of the basic
theory; it is connected with diverse phenomena which you would characterize as
paranormal.) Now, back to the essentials: Plasma...now, with plasma I don't mean
just "hot gas"--as the concept is generally simplified by your people--but
rather I mean a higher aggregate condition of matter. The plasma state of matter
is a special form of matter which lies between its real existence and the sphere
of influence, that is, a complete loss of mass and pure accretion of energy of
various form whenever matter is "pushed or shoved." {NOTE: No explanation was
given for the use of the word "pushed, shoved" as used in this context. Your
guess is as good mine.}
The fourth state of matter is very important for
certain physical conditions which can be used for example to...how should I
express this to you...generate antigravity. (That's a rather strange human word
and not really correct, but you ought to understand it better this way.)
Essentially, in the world of real physics, there are no bipolar forces, but
rather only "observer dependent reflective behavior" of a single, large unified
force at different levels. With antigravity or the displacement of gravitational
characteristics into levels, one can, for example, cause apparently solid matter
to levitate; this method is employed partly by us and by extraterrestrials as
well as a means of propulsion for their UFOs. You people are moving on a really
primitive level towards a similar principle for your secret military projects,
but since you have more or less stolen this technology (and it was later falsely
passed on to you intentionally by the extraterrestrials), you lack the real
physical understanding; as a result, you have to struggle with problems of
instability and radiation with your "UFOs." According to my information, there
have been a great number of deaths of your people because of intense radiation
and field disturbances. Don't you agree, this is also an example of the business
regarding the question of "good" and "evil?" You people play with unknown forces
and thereby accept the death of colleagues of your own kind, for they are dying
for a greater cause, namely, for the advancement of your technology, which as a
result is being put into place once again for the purpose of war, i.e., for
negative pursuits. Now, one can give you the benefit of the doubt, that only the
least number of your kind have any knowledge about these alien projects which
are--as you explain it--top secret. It was told to you that the higher the
ordinal or ranking number of basic matter, the simpler the heightening of the
condition, but that is only partially correct. If you can't circumvent these
powers, then you're better off not attempting it. But your kind has always been
ignorant and has from time immemorial tried to play around with forces which you
have not even understood. Why would that ever change?
You remember this
business of copper fusion? By means of the fluctuation at the right angle with
the induced radiation field, copper is fused with other elements. (The illusion
of matter is fused, the fields in the sphere of influence overlap each other,
but the main force would be reflected by that process and would assume a
quasi-bipolar character.) The resulting connection and the field would therefore
not be stable in the normal condition of matter and unsuited for tasks. As a
result, the entire field spectrum is shifted to a higher plasma-like condition,
whereby the spectrum comes together with this harsh shifting to the opposite
pole side--the word is NOT correct--of the force field and it resembles quite
closely a gravitational shift. This shifting causes a "tilting" of the repulsing
quasi-bipolar force, which now no longer flows to the interior of the force
field, but rather flows partly to the exterior of the field. The result is an
inter-stratifying reflective force field which is very difficult to modulate
within certain technical boundaries in relation to its own characteristics. It
can also carry out a multiplicity of tasks, as for example, causing massive
flying objects to be levitated and maneuvered. It can also exert a camouflage
function in the realm of electromagnetic radiation as well as manipulate
temporal sequences of events--indeed only to very limited extent--and other
things as well. Are you familiar with your "quantum tunnel effect?" Even the
amplitude equalizations among genuine matter can be achieved with one of those
kinds of fields if the frequency and the distance from the plane of the field
are high enough. Unfortunately, the whole thing that I have explained to you in
your words has come out to be rather primitive, I'm afraid. It sounds rather
strange and certainly impossible for your comprehension, but perhaps this simple
explanation can be of some use to you in helping you to understand. But then
again, maybe not.
QUESTION:Is there a scientific substantiation
for paranormal powers, as for example with your powers of
thought?
ANSWER:: Yes. In order to explain that, one has to
acknowledge the physical reality of the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. I'll try
to do it...wait just a second...you are going to have to separate yourself
mentally from the illusion that that which you see is the true nature of the
universe. It is, at best, the surface of a side. Imagine for yourself that all
the matter here--you, this table, this pencil, this technical device, this
paper--does not really exist, but that it is rather only the result of a field
oscillation and a concentration of energy. All matter that you see, every
creature, every planet and star in this universe, has an "information-energy
equivalent" in the sphere of influence which is located on a main field--the
general level {of things}. Now, there is not only one level, but several. Last
time, I had mentioned that highly-developed species which is capable of changing
levels (which is something completely different from the simple bubble changing,
for bubbles are a part of each and every level). Do you understand? Dimensions,
as you call them, are a part of a solitary bubble, bubbles or universal foam are
a part of a level, and levels are layers in the sphere of influence, while the
sphere of influence, acting in the capacity of single physical size, is
essentially unending; it is composed of innumerable information-energy layers
and general levels. There are in the sphere of influence no null-levels; all are
the same, but they are separated by means of their energy conditions. I notice
that I am confusing you now. I think I ought to stop with this
explanation.
QUESTION:No, please continue. How do concrete
paranormal powers arise?
ANSWER:: Well, OK then. Let's try
something simpler. Again, it is not completely correct, but let's begin in this
manner: Tangible matter on this side is mirrored in the sphere of influence
{Feldraum} as a field with distinct layers. These layers contain information, as
an example, about the simple structure of matter or the string frequency, but
also there is stored information stemming from the development of matter. Are
you familiar with the human concept of "morphogenetic fields?" One part of the
layer could be designated as such. Now there is still another intermediary layer
for which you unfortunately have no human concept, since the theory is not
common in human thinking. Let's call it a "para-layer," for this layer is mainly
responsible for everything which you call PSI and paranormal and which lies
outside the boundaries of your primitive science. This para-layer lies between
the layers of matter and the morphogenetic layers of a field in the sphere of
influence. It can actively integrate with both. Your body, for example, is
mirrored as a field in the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. That doesn't mean
that it does not also exist here as well--as flesh, blood, bones--in the form of
matter strings or atoms, but not only that. Existence is always a duality. Some
layers of the field contain simple information about the solid matter of your
body and its frequency, while other layers {contain information about} your
spirit, your consciousness or, speaking >from a human-religious point of
view, your soul. Awareness or consciousness in this case is a simple energy
matrix, divided into different layers of your field in the sphere of
influence--nothing more, nothing less. Genuine awareness can also exist here on
the matter side, but only in the form of post-plasma {the fifth form of matter}.
With the necessary physical knowledge and the corresponding technology, the
consciousness/awareness matrix, or soul, can also be separated from its field of
rest. It can, despite its removal, continue to exist in a self-sufficient manner
for a certain amount of time. That has the strange occult name of "soul
robbing." But above all, we're talking about science here, not about magic or
dark forces.
[Comment by Ole. K.: The "soul robbing" was mentioned in one
of the radical, religiously-motivated comments in connection with the reptilian
species.]
But back to your QUESTION:Creatures with more powerful
mental powers can have a direct influence on the para-layer by means of their
consciousness/awareness fields. Now this layer is not limited only to the
individual, but rather as a part of a general information layer--you could call
it in a prosaic sense the community soul--that is connected with all animate and
inanimate matter and all consciousness which exist on this main level. The
biological cause for these abilities lies on the side of matter, by the way, in
the pituitary gland, which always is in the position to generate the frequencies
to actively control the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. Even you people could
theoretically do this; however, you are solidly blocked in these things. As I
have said, the para-layer can interact with mind as well as with matter. For
example, if I decide to use my mental powers once more in order to move this
pencil, then, simply said, I imagine in my mind how my consciousness/awareness
expands/amplifies itself on the matter side in the form of post-plasma to the
pencil. In the sphere of influence this causes simultaneously an automatic
command from the consciousness/awareness layer to the para-layer to interact
with the matter layer of the pencil. Since the para-layer is not confined to the
body, it is not even a problem that the pencil lies over there, for I can
unerringly reach it, even without moving my matter body. Post-Plasma on this
side, para-layer on the other. I have control over the pencil and the
interaction brings the matter field of the pencil to the point where it changes
in the manner in which it moves, for example.
[Comment by Ole K.: I
certify that the pencil mentioned above abruptly at that very moment jumped into
the air to a height of 20 cm and then fell back to the surface of the table. The
sound is clearly heard on the recording tape. No one visibly had touched that
pencil.]
QUESTION:That is fascinating. Which kinds of paranormal
activities can one generate with that?
ANSWER:: All kinds.
Everything that you call paranormal. As I said, this special layer lies in the
sphere of influence {Feldraum} between the morphogenetic information layers and
the matter layers and can interact with respect to both sides. That is to say,
it can be interacted with solid matter as well as with mind or mental
information, wherewith we can achieve everything that is generally designated as
telekinesis and telepathy. The "connection absorption" with another
consciousness/awareness is generally separate in the procedure from the simple
influence of matter, since different consciousness/awareness fields work with
different oscillations. A consciousness/awareness that sends or a
consciousness/awareness that listens must first adapt itself to the other mind
exactly, before any access is possible. Most species also have chances to block
the alien access, but you people don't have this. The following is generally
valid: the stronger the paranormal abilities of a species, the simpler the
adaptation and the access. Our own abilities are not so powerfully developed;
therefore, first we have to learn specifically alien mind influence in order to
use our mimicry, for example--where mimicry is actually quite simple in your
minds due to the implanting of the on/off switch. Some of these abilities are
also partially inherited; mother and child of my kind as an example are attuned
exactly during the first months of life--partially also in the egg covering in
the expectant mother--and communicate telepathically. In order to influence you
people, we need a certain amount of time for practicing, despite your simple
structure. Therefore, it is forbidden, for example, for adults of my kind before
the "Age of Enlightenment" to come to the surface of the Earth. (That term is
synonymous, along with other things, with full physical strength.) In the case
of not fully developed abilities, the danger of discovery by you would be too
great. By the way, there are of course numerous secret teachings about the real
possibilities which can give one these abilities, but I really don't know
anything exact about that.
Whenever an alien mind ought to be influenced,
then there are some generally valid steps, which are set into motion by other
extraterrestrial species. First and foremost, the alien oscillation must be
felt, something generally that is done automatically by the brain, i.e., for the
one the field oscillation, for the other the quasi-electrical brain waves here
in the normal space {which matter inhabits}. That is not especially difficult.
After that, one simply probes for the other consciousness/awareness in the mind
with a post-plasma manifestation, the sphere of influence {Feldraum} reacts and
the connection is there. Now one can read out information from the first one and
record the desired information to the second one in the correct location. You
asked me last time whether you people have the opportunity to protect yourselves
against this influence, and I told you that only an awake and concentrated mind
had any kind of a chance to withstand it. In this state of mind the oscillations
change very abruptly and access becomes complicated; more precisely, it can come
as a painful recoil. Whenever you close your eyes, then the field becomes
"flat," and alien access {to the mind} is immediately possible and without
restriction. In terms of your chances against a more highly developed species,
you have none at all. They are able to adjust the oscillations faster than you
can change. I could even demonstrate it on yourself, but you were really
horrified and confused the last time, so we'll just leave it at an
explanation.
This explanation presumably sounds to you like--as you
say--something esoteric or from the occult or magic. The reason for that is
simply that you lack the basic understanding for seeing the background reasons.
All paranormal phenomena have a purely scientific origination. None of this has
anything to do with supernatural powers. We grow up with this kind of knowledge,
we know how one makes use of these powers, and where they come from. We are
acquainted with theory and practice. You are not. Therefore, you really don't
understand what happens in your world--you see only one side of existence, not
the other (I mean here both that are physical). Everything paranormal is
dualistic, and it exists in the space that matter inhabits as well as in the
sphere of influence {Feldraum}. To be explained...it can only be explained by
the acceptance of the latter, because the sphere of influence {Feldraum} is the
basis. I would welcome an end to the scientific questions since you really
aren't grasping them anyway. We're wasting more or less valuable time by doing
this.
QUESTION:Only one last question. At our first meeting in
December, you made it quite clear that you didn't want to discuss scientific and
paranormal concerns. Why the openness now?
ANSWER:: The last time
I saw really no necessity in overburdening you with facts of that kind (and now
you are obviously overburdened). Therefore, I had preferred only to mention
these topics in a peripheral sense. Apparently, however, some of my performances
today have set you to thinking about your world, something that can't be all
bad. And by the way, your human scientists will tend to regard my comments as
"humbug." And so I see no great danger in spreading this information widely. No
one will pay much attention to it. By the way, the words of people who have
characterized me as a "Creature of Evil" have their basis in the belief in
occult powers and magic--both of which things DO NOT exist. There is no magic,
only highly developed science, and everything that you label as "magic" is only
a part of science. If you would only comprehend that, then you would be a step
ahead in your development. My openness on this issue ends here. Pose other
questions, please.
QUESTION:Good. Let's talk about UFOs. Can you
explain to me how our governments came into possession of UFO material to the
point that they could start their own projects? Did it have anything to do with
the "Roswell Incident?"
ANSWER:: Yes, but that incident was not
the first one. I am no historian, I am studying only your current behavior, so
my knowledge about those events in your history is presumably not very
extensive. I will try to explain to you what I know about those things which
happened at that time. Let me think about it for a second. In the years 1946 to
1953 in your time scale, there were five cases where extraterrestrial ships
crashed to the surface of the Earth. In that crash which you call the "Roswell
Incident," there was not only one alien ship involved, but two that crashed
after a collision in different parts of the land in the west--the one you call
the USA. (You have to know that the ships of this particular species can remain
levitating in the air for a particular period of time even though they are
damaged; that accounts for the spatial difference {in their crash locations}.)
These were indeed not the first crashes, but by that time the second and the
third. Another ship had crashed in 1946, but it was destroyed beyond
usability.
One thing first before the explanation: it certainly sounds
ridiculous to you that such highly developed extraterrestrial ships simply
crash, and that a relatively large number did so in a relatively short amount of
time. The explanation for that is likewise more than strange, but it is correct.
It does not lie in the ship's drive itself, but rather in the direction of the
field to your planet. This species that we are discussing--and it was always in
this time period that this species used a disk-shaped craft--used a propulsion
system which ran according to the normal principle of fusion, to be sure, but
one that at that time employed a more than unconventional method for field
alignment. This method had various advantages but also disadvantages. The
repelling field must of course lie in the absolute correct angle to the surface
of the Earth. This species used an alignment technology in their ships, with
which the field locked into place all points of the Earth's magnetic field. Now
at that time this species had just arrived on the earth and their point of
origin lay on a planet with a more stable magnetic field, for which they had
developed and aligned their drive. The magnetic field of the Earth is not really
all that stable; it is subject to cyclical variations and it forms field eddies
under unfavorable conditions. Whenever a ship with one of those kinds of drives
gets into a field fluctuation or into an eddy that is too strong, then for a
short time the repelling field can no longer align itself correctly and the ship
glides uncontrolled on its flight path. The drive is operating correctly, to be
sure, but the field fluctuates in all directions and because of that, the ship
can crash. In the case from 1947 which you addressed, it is my understanding
that one of the ships got caught in a fluctuation, its field linked up
unintentionally with that of its squadron leader and it collided with another
ship whereby both of them were heavily damaged. The cause for the magnetic
fluctuation at that time was probably an electrical disturbance brought about by
a weather event. Both ships crashed as a result; one of them fell near the
collision point, the other a hundred of your kilometers or so distant. All
occupants were killed in the impact. The thin hull structure of that kind of
disk craft is in and of itself not very stable, since those disks have not been
designed for crashes as well as for flight in a field where there are exterior
forces at work.
Now, your human military collected the individual pieces
at first until they discovered the whole ships with the dead creatures aboard.
Immediately they classified everything as "Top Secret" and brought them to their
military bases in order to analyze the drive. The secret endeavor was to set the
alien technology in place later against evil enemies of that great country. That
is as primitive as it is ridiculous. I believe I remember--I don't want to
specify exactly your date--that it was probably between 1949 and 1952 that there
was a rather bad accident during some research being done on one of the wrecks.
According to what I heard--what members of my species were told by members of
that government--it resulted in an unintentional activation of one of the
drive's components in the unshielded condition. As a result, for a very short
period of time--how should I phrase this--there was an unchecked shift of the
environment to a plasma-like condition, which on the other hand, through a very,
very unfortunate accident, caused an overturning of the general power field into
a magnetic pulse of immense power. Do you have any idea what kind of an effect a
plasma-magnetic jolt has, when it comes into contact with an organism? No, how
should you know that. Of course you don't. Disturbance in the structure of the
field and bioelectric feedback. Imagine, if you will, a human body which is
engulfed in bright flames for 3 or 4 of your days. Those flames apparently do
not go out and they burn the body right down to its last constituents. Well,
then you have an approximate impression of what happened. I think that 20 or 30
of your scientists were killed in that lab.
Two further crashes occurred
in 1950 and 1953 in the water catchment area of the American continent. Those
ships were able to be recovered from the crashes relatively intact. (The one in
1953, as I remember, even had an intact drive core. It was by means of that
device that you saw for the first time that you had understood the entire
concept fully incorrectly and that you had reconstructed it fully incorrectly.
Even today you still don't have it right.) That species, which had built the
ships in the first place--a species which I, by the way, count among those who
are unfriendly towards you--was naturally worried about the investigation of
their own technology by your kind. They did not want, however, at that early
point in time, to begin direct conflict with you, and so they chose the
diplomatic path and came into contact with that government during your 1960's.
Of course, they did not divulge the real reasons for their being here--copper,
hydrogen, air--but rather they pretended to be curious "researchers" and offered
to show people the functioning principle of the ships whereby they would expect
in return some "favors." Simple-minded as you are, you of course agreed to
it...and were deceived. You gave them raw materials, you gave them secured
locations for their bases, you gave them access to your most secret defense
data, you gave them access to your DNS {DNA?} and much more--and all just to
quench your greed for power and information. The alien species of course quickly
noticed that they were dealing with simple-minded creatures, and they gave you
false and inferior information about their technology so that they receive much
more out of the collaboration than your kind do. For example, they gave you
information that the drive can only be constructed with unstable elements of a
higher ranking number, but they withheld the information that the field drive
can be constructed with various modifications to work as well with stable
elements of a lower periodic number, and generally, that's the way it's done.
Through these half truths they made you dependent on the synthesizing of high
{numbered} elements, and thereby renewed by their own technology. Their clues to
the construction of your "UFOs" were laid out in such a way that the solution to
old problems caused new problems to arise simultaneously. They never told you
the complete truth, but always built in again and again clever lies, which later
lead to technical problems--and to your dependence on them.
In the last
years of your 1970's and your early 1980's, it finally came down to various
events between the alien species and that human government--I don't want to go
into detail here since there is much that even I am not exactly sure of. The
whole thing lay in the context with some new, or better said, the old technical
problems with your own self-constructed ships whose camouflage and drive
partially failed to function in test flights in the open. Because of that, the
function of secrecy was threatened. Your military and your politicians
slowly--very slowly--came to the conclusion after more than 20 years of this
that they had been deceived by that alien species. Multitudinous incongruities
and the overstepping of bounds of the treaties by both sides finally led to an
altercation between you and the extraterrestrials, which culminated in the
lift-off of three of the alien aerial objects through a special--how do you say
it?--EMP {electromagnetic pulse} weapon and a military skirmish at one of their
underground installations. As a consequence of these attacks, the alien species
ultimately withdrew from all contact with you and was understandably more than
angered about your kind. Therefore, I count these extraterrestrials among the
three groups who are hostile towards you, and while the other two are more
occupied with their own business, among them waging a cold war for dominance on
your planet, your old "friends" and partners are preparing to supply themselves
finally with the sole and absolute dominance over raw materials and human DNS
{DNA?}. At the moment it is probably true that they lack some of the technical
possibilities and the large amount of forces which they need in order to achieve
their goals directly. In spite of that, we are counting on negative
actions--possibly ever of a more subtle kind--against you in the next few years
or decades.
QUESTION:Will the other extraterrestrial species
undertake nothing against these war-like actions? Specifically, something ought
to be on Earth for the more highly developed species.
ANSWER::
You're wrong there. Specifically, for the more highly developed species there is
simply at the very least your fate. You are animals for them. Animals in a very
large lab. Understandably, an alien intervention on your planet would disturb
their projects, but I don't think that they accept a confrontation with other
species for it. Many of them could look for another research planet for
themselves or they could study over a long distance your behavior and your
consciousness/awareness, since crisis situations could have an attraction for
their studies. Whenever you people take a look at an ant hill, and another
person comes along and steps on the ant hill, what do you do? You go on your
way, or you search for another ant hill or you observe the ants in their crisis
condition. But would one of you--even though he were larger and more powerful
than the one who stepped on the ant hill in the first place--defend the
meaningless ants? No. You have to imagine for yourself the viewpoint of the more
highly advanced creatures. You are the ants. Don't expect any help from
them.
Of course we would also ask for help when it became clear that your
old partners were ganging up on you. Some members of that human government are
fully aware of our existence--also partially owing to an old religious basis.
For example, there is a gigantic partially underground building in the capital
which is totally dedicated to my species and that also has a direct approach to
an elevator shaft and to an underground system. In this building partial
meetings have taken place and do take place between us and humans. We have
passed on information to you in the last few years; according to what I know, we
will keep ourselves as far away from the conflict as we can. You ought to learn
to solve your own problems yourselves or to become intelligent enough never to
create those kinds of situations. What will come and who will possibly place
themselves on your side, only time will tell. I really do not want to make any
indications about that.
QUESTION:I have here 5 prints of different
UFOs, which claim to show UFOs. Can you take a look at the pictures and tell me
in which of them actual extraterrestrial aerial craft can be
seen?
ANSWER:: I can try it. You pose many questions to me today
which even I cannot answer unequivocally. Don't overestimate my knowledge, I'm
no expert in alien technology and the construction of extraterrestrial ships. To
be sure, there are mostly some technical details and peculiarities about genuine
"UFOs," with whose help one can easily differentiate them from natural phenomena
or human forgeries. You falsify sometimes the pattern of genuine ships;
therefore, it is not so easy simply with absolute certainty to identify an
object. I'll try it. Show me the photos.
[Comment by Ole K.: She
considered the pictures respectively for only a couple of seconds and then
sorted out photos 1, 3 and 5.]
These three pictures here are obvious
counterfeits or erroneous identifications. In the one picture, it certainly
seems to me that a real existing ship of an alien species was adapted for a
small model here. It lacks important characteristics which are tied in with the
technically- and physically-associated field. Generally speaking, a picture is
all the more a fake, the clearer the outline and the colors are, because a
levitating ship is generally hidden in a shifted-field condition that even
distorts the colors or the forms according to alignment. It might perhaps sound
strange, but hazy and spectrally-shifted photos are sometimes to be interpreted
as an indication for a possibly authenticity. By the way, this object is
floating above the water. If it were a genuine ship, we would have to see in any
case either a trough or a swell on the surface. Since the surface is flat, it is
obviously not a genuine ship. In my opinion, none of these three pictures show
genuine objects in flight or UFOs. Here in this picture I see above all no
artificial object in flight; it seems much more to deal with only a light reflex
in your simple optical cameras. You really ought to be intelligent enough not to
fall for a mix-up like that. When your general public chases counterfeits and
frauds for a long time, then they will presumably discover too late, what is
really going on in front of them in their atmosphere.
PHOTO 2: Albiosc,
France, 1974
This one seems to be genuine, at least it displays the
necessary characteristics. I would assign it at first glance to an alien species
who have been visiting your planet for the last 35 years or so. The object
itself is metallic and disk-shaped; certainly it is distorted in form and color
by means of a field effect. These four white and very long "processes" on the
underside of the ship itself portray a kind of quasi-gravitational light
manipulation, i.e., the universal force field is being shifted in the direction
of a simulated gravity. Actually, it is not a genuine light (it is mostly not a
genuine light whenever you see illuminating "UFOs") but a special strongly
charged form field which manifests itself in the space that matter inhabits as a
quasi-light. The reason for the activation of this special high-energy system in
an atmosphere is not completely clear to me; it's possible that it is a kind of
investigating or influencing of the environment. In any case, it is terribly
careless of that species to allow this technology to be photographed by humans.
Well, I guess that most of you just plain don't understand it, and those who do
will not say anything about it to the general public.
PHOTO 4: Petit
Rechain, Belgium, 1990
This is in fact a genuine aerial object; it is in
no way extraterrestrial. Triangular aerial objects in flight are simply not used
by alien species, or not in this form, at least. That streamlined kind of form
is a human concept. It is one of your own secret military projects that you
build with the help of immature alien technology--technology that was handed
over to you by the extraterrestrials during the 1960's and the 1970's.
Generally, the form of the hull for a genuine extraterrestrial ship is of no
consequence, for inside the field itself there are no exterior forces that have
any effect there; in general, the ships have a rounded off form and they are
built without hard edges--as a disk or a cylinder--so that the field can flow
more easily. Your projects decree that along with the alien drive field there
also be a conventional jet engine system; therefore, they are always triangular
and built thus with streamlining in order to be steerable with this primitive
recoil principle.
In the example here the ship glides above all on its
genuine field drive. Do you see the distortion and the quasi-light in the
rotating cylinders? That is an unmistakable indication for the authenticity of
the photo. But why, you might ask, are there 4 cylinders? That's unusual--even
the interval seems to be incorrect. The coloring is very dark and the interior
optical distortion is very noticeable. Presumably a reconstruction of the
original system by your scientists. Since the alien species has just not given
you any more information since the disagreement, they are rebuilding the systems
singlehandedly without actually being able to understand what kind of dangerous
thing they are doing there. This construction does not make the system better,
only more unstable. Both of the forward cylinders are too close to each other;
they will definitely flow into each other. The color shows me a powerful
residual radiation; it was probably the case that high elements were used again
as customary for the shifting. It is in any case very dangerous to be unshielded
in the vicinity of the field. Did the person who took the photo display any kind
of radiation and burn damage?
QUESTION:I don't know. Where do
these military "UFOs" come from? From the United States?
ANSWER::
Yes. I think generally that's true. From the western
continent.
QUESTION:Why then do they fly over thickly populated
areas of Europe? This photo comes from Belgium. That doesn't make any sense. Can
you explain?
ANSWER:: Why is it that ONLY I am able to explain
strange human deeds? It's possible that these are long-distance tests or tests
with the electromagnetic camouflage systems. The old enemy of the American
nation is on this side of the world, so why shouldn't they test here? At home
they've had enough time to have had their ships crossing back and forth. Maybe
they have aroused too much observation there. With one of those kinds of
unstable field structures--as your photo indicates--I consider it somewhat
improbable that that ship is capable of making a flight of that length over the
ocean. It's possible there is a test station here on your continent.
Unfortunately, I don't know anything about it.
QUESTION:Many
readers of the first transcript have posed the question how your original
contact with E.F. came about. I already know the story from your narratives, but
could you repeat it here once again for this volume and for the new
transcript?
ANSWER:: Of course. Now, the story began about two of
your years ago here in Sweden. I have been strongly interested in your species
and your behavior since my youth; I had already studied your literature at that
time, as well as possible. (Naturally, it is not easy in my homeland to come
into possession of human books, but since my group or family stands in a higher
ranking order, I was able to gather some material together and sometimes to
speak with others of my kind who have already been in contact with you.) I was
really very curious about your species and as soon as I was allowed to come to
the surface, I attempted to assemble more information immediately; above all, it
was expressly forbidden for me to commence direct contact with humans because in
my position at that time, there existed no necessity for doing so.
It was
in your year 1998, when I was on my way further north from here in the remote
forests in the vicinity of the entrance to my world and was looking for
biological specimens, which we use in order to watch over environmental
pollution and destruction of your flora and fauna statistically by your own
kind. At the time, I was already on the return path to the entrance--we can even
orient ourselves more easily, by the way, through our senses to the Earth's
magnetic field--and already in the vicinity of the large lake, when much to my
surprise I came across a cabin in the woods. In this cabin I sensed a human
consciousness/awareness. It was E.F. Actually, I had no permission for contact
with another species, but by the same token I had set in place my mimicry
capability quite successfully prior to this--even with larger groups of you (I
had never ever come across a human being when I was alone). Now, let's call it
primitive curiosity; I wanted to talk with the person in this cabin and so I
knocked on the door. E. opened the door and we got into an interesting
conversation. His language was not quite yet common at that time for me, but
it's not all that hard to learn a new language when one can read the information
in the consciousness/awareness of the opposite individual. I simply told him
that I came from a foreign country in the east. Of course at the time, he did
not really "recognize" who I was; he was totally convinced that he was talking
with a creature of his own kind, although it was simply only a mimicry
image.
Since my assignment anyway had as its goal an investigation of
this terrain which was to last for several days, I visited him in this span of
time three times as a human person. At first we talked mainly about really
ordinary things; later we got into religious and physical topics. He seemed to
be impressed by my knowledge, and I was likewise impressed with his clear
thoughts and his--for a human being--well displayed personality structure and
his own opinions. You really like giving yourselves over completely to a public
opinion or conditioning, as for example, "reptilian species are evil" and stuff
like that. I steered the conversation in this direction, and E.F. said something
to the effect that he believed in alien species and that they did not have to
necessarily be evil, but perhaps only different than his kind are. That pleased
me. At that juncture of time, of course, I could not speak concretely with him
about my knowledge because he wouldn't have believed me--he would have taken me
for a human practical joker. I cultivated the very, very unusual idea (for my
kind) to show him my true exterior, something that I did during our conversation
at our fourth meeting in the cabin. Actually, he was predestined for contact: he
was open-minded, honest, intelligent, not religiously inclined or conditioned;
he lived alone and isolated, and no one would believe him, should he decide to
go public with his story. I dared to take the step, but then I had serious doubt
about the propriety of my act, especially when he reacted...very...violently. He
got control of himself again after a time and we could finally talk concretely
about definite matters. Now he had no choice but to believe me. This was the
beginning of a series of meetings which initially took place there in the woods,
but later took place in his remote residence. Finally he brought you into
contact with me...and for that reason we are now sitting here once again and
talking about things which probably won't be believed out there in human
society.
QUESTION:You said, you would not have had permission at
that time for contacts with human beings. Do you now then have permission to
talk with E.F. and me about all these things and even to make this
scientifically public?
ANSWER:: Yes. That is difficult to explain
and for you to understand. Let's just say, I find myself in the position now to
arrange this permission without having to take into account any consequences. In
this position I am quasi-"immune" against certain restrictions. Let's look it
that way. Yes.
QUESTION:If other people want to come into contact
with your kind, do they have a chance to do so?
ANSWER:: Generally
not. We avoid contact with you and we operate on the surface only in remote
areas and there we use the mimicry techniques in case we should meet some
people. That I am talking with you now does not mean that others will follow my
example. It goes without saying that you could try to find an entrance to my
world and penetrate your way into there. However, that can sooner lead to
unpleasant consequences for the infiltrator. You have next to no chances on the
surface of recognizing us. You can't even contact us directly, we have to
contact you, just as I did with E.F. Those kinds of contacts however are not the
rule but are very rare occurrences.
QUESTION:Can you describe your
subterranean homeland location?
ANSWER:: I can attempt to do so,
but I certainly will not tell you where this place is located. My homeland lies
in one of our smaller underground settlements to the east of here. I'll give you
some numbers so that you can make a better impression for yourself. Just a
minute...I have to try to convert the measurements approximately into your
units. It is a dome-shaped cavern at a distance of about 4300 meters from the
Earth's surface. The cavern was organized as a colony about 3000 years ago; a
major portion of the ceiling structure is artificially integrated into the rock
and the form was remodeled into an almost elegantly proportioned and very flat
dome with an oval ground plan. The diameter of the dome according to your
measures is about two-and-a-half kilometers. The height of the dome at the
highest point is about 220 meters. Underneath that highest point in every colony
there stands a special whitish-gray cylindrical building--a kind of supporting
column which holds the honeycomb net-carrying structure of the dome. This
building is the tallest, largest and oldest in the entire dome for it is always
situated as the first construction together with the security of the ceiling.
(In the meantime of course there were times when it was completed and
reconditioned.) That building has a very special name and religious
significance. We have only one of those columns; larger colonies even have more
columns according to the construction of the ceiling.
One of the main
colonies in Inner Asia has as an example 9 of those kinds of supports, but that
colony is also over 25 of your kilometers in size. The central building is
generally a center of religion, but also a center for climate control, and a
center for the behavior and the regulation of the lighting system. We have at
our location all together 5 large artificial light sources which generate your
UV light and its warmth through gravitational sources. The air shafts and the
light systems from the surface likewise run through these columns and naturally,
they are very intensely controlled.
By the way, we have 3 air shafts and
2 elevator systems there, and even a tunnel connection to the next main colony
which lies approximately 500 kilometers to the southeast. One elevator shaft
leads to a cavern near the surface, the other leads to one of our depots for the
ships--you remember, the cylindrical ships--that is naturally concealed closer
to the surface behind a rocky mountain face. Normally, there are only three
ships there--it's a small depot. The other buildings of the colony are, for the
most part, concentrically ordered in oval circles around the main supporting
column, and they are without exception much flatter; generally only between 3
and 20 meters tall. The shape of the buildings is round and dome-like. The color
is even differentiated according to circle and distance from the main column. To
the north of the column, there is an additional, very large but very flat round
building. This building interrupts the concentric system of the colony with its
diameter of about 250 meters. It is the artificial sun zone in which specially
illuminated corridors and rooms are housed. In these locations very powerful UV
light predominates, and they are used in order to warm our blood. There is even
a medical dispensary and a meeting room located there. Beyond the outer ring of
the colony, there are zones in which animals are kept--you know, we MUST consume
flesh as nourishment--and the gardens in which plant nourishment and mushroom
culture are cultivated; there is also hot and cold running water there from
subterranean sources. The power station is located on the edge of the colony.
The station is driven by fusion as its base and it supplies the colony and the
"suns" with energy. My group or "family" lives, by the way, in the fourth ring
of buildings out from the central support column. So much in such a short time.
To describe to you all the buildings and their tasks would be going too far. It
is difficult to describe something like that to you, for it is a completely
different set of surroundings and culture from what you are accustomed to in
your life on the surface. You really have to see it for yourself to be able to
believe it.
QUESTION:Will I myself see it
sometime?
ANSWER:: Who knows, maybe. Time brings new
opportunities.
QUESTION:How many creatures of your kind live in
this colony?
ANSWER:: Approximately
900.
QUESTION:That is the end of the interview. Do you have any
final message for the readers of the transcript?
ANSWER:: Yes. I
am thoroughly surprised at the many comments to my words; of course, I am
naturally also disappointed about the religious portrayals of me as the enemy
which have been voiced and which have buried themselves deeply in your mind. You
should learn to set yourselves apart from the old conditioning and not to stand
quasi under the control of something or someone who has already been gone for
5000 years. You are, after all, free spirits. Those are my final
words.
END OF THE TRANSCRIPT
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